Knowing God vs The Idea of God

In The Name Of God Much Is Mistaken

God Said What? Who Said?

This post is about the nature of religion, belief, faith, truth, love, evil, trust, honesty and knowing; I “know” I likely left some aspects of this post out.

I am writing this article to address a well meaning book (I Don’t Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST) that I was sent to seemingly purge out the falsity of my atheist ways.  I am not an atheist!,  so there is some perceptual problem apparently.

Some of our fellows feel they can tell what we should be thinking, cause they “know” what they believe in.  This approach for defining reality by belief, is fraught with a possibility of hidden evil, by evil I mean the things which ignorance and emotion can do to human consciousness in the name of reason.  Most of us in established religious groups, do not know all to what we belong to; its reason for being and our abilities to freely wonder about it. We are psychologically and logically setup.

Though indoctrinated into Catholicism via Catholic grammar school, I was a kind of agnostic/atheist when in my early youth; too much tragedy–(–a later link–) with no signs whatsoever of cosmic care. That changed in an instant when I encountered a thing beyond reason–Divine Intervention.   ENCOUNTER WITH THE SUPERNATURAL: SIGNS FROM GOD

I remain in respect for atheist and agnostics who are humanist, those who intend to “do right” (as in the Categorical Imperative) even though they think no one or no Thing is watching or cares.  That is spiritual strength; an awareness that I will do right because right is right to do. I align with Truth.  Wrongness contradicts the life that I am to its foundation, so I reject it for what is a higher purpose–rightness beyond subjective superficiality of desire or temptation.  Religious orthodoxies are quite threatened by these folks, seeming to not belive humans can do right without their ideas breathing down their necks.

This doing right on ones own, is much more an achievement than those who “do what they are told” because of fear of God, brown-nosing to Authority, Don’t want to go to hell, The comfort perks and spiritual “surety” of religious community, or looking for a good place in the afterlife. The humanist position takes courage, and the other conformity to outside ideas, and presumably much internalized dichotomy from temptation suppression.

Being verified by outside ideas tends to stimulate the impulse to spread those ideas to others in order that they too think like one thinks one does.  This sort of prostilization dependency loop creates a kind of self motivating confirmation bias in seeing others change from how, “I once was, like you.”, to my new community of embracing acceptance.

{ Some religions use “shepherding”, where the energy of new converts is watched and micromanage closely to conform to “correct” thought (I was involved with a group helping people exit cult entrapment).}  The warmth and purpose of community association, with all the human and assumed spiritual/emotional perks that come with that; a kind of love, respect, care for one another, bonding and extended family.

Evangelical Realism

(Book: I Don’t Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST, by Geisler and Turek, chapter 14.) Fallible people write books all the time that have no errors. …. 3. Therefore the Bible cannot err. Notice anything missing in their logic?

The Easy Road

Other human beings associated with your culture; who claim apiori truth from narratives claimed to be infallible, are a common human issue wherever one goes upon this earth.  Native groups claim fantastic stories as the Primal Cause of The People.  These become conserved orthodoxies with a sense of our truth as The Truth.  We also have tribalism interfacing with these differing stories.  We then layer on human role differentiations and ways of perceiving the wonders of Life codified to these stories.  They make sense to those immersed inside the culture, but maybe not so much to the rest of humanity who live outside of it.

Yet we are human.  We have pretty much the same needs. We also have pretty much the same faults and errors in cognitive perception.  We may think others should do as we wish.  Life would be much better for me that way.  Achieving kinds of order in the organization of society may make society function as a greater whole, but that does not mean that that whole is more right or true.  Truth does not solely depend on numbers or “winners” in a narrative.  I so many ways; might is used to make right in materialistic and spiritual claimed societies, especially when God is defined as the maker and doer of life and death and we are, or are said not to be, on It or His side, or to come under eternal fire.


A culture comes with automatic positives for some or most people; place, belonging, purpose, reliable order, safety in some respects; all while Love seeks to bond us no matter what, Love seeks to teach us more than the limitations of ourselves, Love makes us into more magnificent beings…  Love, respect, daily effort, all the must have’s for healthy living try to make their way into whatever culture we happen to be closest to.  The narration of what is right or wrong, or in order or not, will come into various states of harmony or disharmony in us as the individual relates to their greater connection of place and assumed purpose—as the Real Truth exist in perfection not likely in any of our conscious possession.

We then have a kind of weakness that can be manipulated by physical and authority power.  The soft spots of separation and alienation, shame and ostracism, can bend the individual to accept stories and explanations at face value.  Again; a survival strategy that does not denote truth or rightness, but is often presented as such.– You do this “Or else!”

Probing Weakness For Its Societal Value By Ignorance Known As Opportunism

“But I know what I feel!”

Self dissonance, as a threat to connectivity, will create stress in ones emotions as well as perceived causes of it.  As always, we can be more right or more wrong about it, for we do not always know what part our imagination plays, or how a scripted interpretation may be skewing what we see of ourselves and of what others are doing.  Usually, a strong attitude will show the lack of evidence one has to make a truly logical case by the facts.  Might is trying to substitute for right by force of rationalization and not honest reason.

Our emotions are subjective; we are making them, yet we often attribute the cause of them to be in others and situations.  You make me feel!—- These things may play their part, but it is often “easy” to project the badness upon someone other than oneself.  Projection is a self protective mechanism.  Emotions, however, no matter how confident or in support of a fine narrative, do not denote rightness, they denote reaction.

This primitive survival phenomenon of reaction to the external by ones idea of it, is a powerful persuasive animal impulse for the disadvantaged, the lonely, those in spiritual and emotional stress, and oh yes; those not entitled to question authority or use critical thinking ability to discern fact from fiction (except where sanctioned).  The immersion experience; in family, groups, cults and cultures, can leave one not quite knowing where ones boundaries are.  We belong to a kind of whole, yet do not necessarily know what it is about nor where it is going; we are written into the story.

What is Behind The Fix That Is On?  Questions That May Not Be Allowed To Be Answered

Conservatism in general, tends to buttress presumption of knowns, seeing change induced by outer causes inclusion as being erosion of belief.   Conservative ideologies have an intrinsic problematic place; self preserving amidst a pluralistic world of other self preserving conceptual paradigms.  This produces the sense of “natural” human dichotomy; where other systems are seen as alien, and likely in negative framed competition against our true idea of The Truth.

Belonging to anything, especially the narratives of confident conservatism, is in and of itself, a seemingly good thing; a protective and creative connection in its own kind of Commons, or shared definition of life.  While immersion experience may seem healthy overall psychologically, with all its support, affirmation, and place within The Story, critical awareness can be subdued or completely repressed, trapping the individual and possibly the group, in a kind of ignorance–the fertile fields where evil can breed illusion and delusion undetected.

False premise

That book I am writing this post in part about; said there are just 3 kinds of belief regarding God; theist, pantheist, and no God, like humanist.  Theist believe God made everything; pantheist believe God is in everything; and unbelievers like humanist, believe we are all on our own.  I know this idea of deconstructive reductionism is used to clarify differences, especially between theism and pantheism.  They say Buddhist are pantheist for instance.  These differences are human made ones about how to think of God or not.  I submit the conceptions of The Divine are not honestly reducible to these either or absolutes.  The clarification, or quantification, obscures the nuance and complexity of experience as it manifest.

Considering the idea of God is an abstraction, I have known of many Christians and churches that say God is Love.  I do not disagree with the claim, but does it define; made love, is in love, or that humanist do not love?  This is part of religions problem, and especially these who try to intellectually compartmentalize and reduce humanity to its differences regarding who has the real God.

(Just a coincidence seeming to coincide with what once would be called tribal difference? Did God  know we would have debate and draw perhaps mistaken conclusions about God from our problematic human perceptive?  Are we to assume a final judgement on being right or wrong over how we thought mistakenly, or in error, determines a life’s truly spiritual merit?).

Evangelicals in particular; make many wishful and magical claims at “knowing” how the Bible is true, with their current version of the Jesus Of Nazareth story as true.  The proof is actually faith and belief, which are, though we may hate to admit it; at the mercy of ignorance.  We claim our ignorance is Truth along with whatever is actually true in these narratives.  With ignorance being in some manner worshiped as Truth and Gods Word, evangelicals are left with likely Evil (ignorance in action) as part of their belief matrix.

Each preacher rearranges the story-lines and the interpretations of one society to presumably fit seamlessly into today’s world.  Today’s world is not fully known by anyone, just as the jumping to conclusion about the ways God is or is not conceived by all. Presumptions are repeated over and over again in the name of God, but are they really?

Those claiming to be living directly in the Bibles way are imagining they are.  There is no proof that they are; except their belief as a self described reborn evangelical, an assumption.  I do not know you are “reborn” or actually believe in God, or are assuming God is real, going along can be little more than the comforting acceptance of successful mimicry.

The issues with Biblical infallibility are many. Many contradictory and false statements occur within the Bible, leaving one to wonder what “Truth” evangelicals think they are actually following?  And what motivates them to make unfounded claims?  And it only gets worse; the New Testament’s narrative has been manipulated by humans throughout the ages.  Political and religious interest have deleted or demonized some Gospels; particularly those which seemed to suggest the life of Jesus portrayed God as being also in Creation, as Buddhist might.  The adjustments have become so established, and their exclusions so denounced; that the familiar has come to rule as the winner and presumed owner of the new one and only True Truth. I will put others questions of Biblical authenticity and fallibility later.

So we must ask this question; Would God not know how questionable the nature of books of the Bible are, and actually respect those who think for themselves to seek out the Truth beyond religions scripted assemblages?  So what is really behind much organized religion and its hierarchical blame and shame mindsets claiming to be Divine?  Why is so much conservatism FEAR CASTING ?, a kind of cognitive spell cast over perceptual awareness, not so unlike Black Magic.

My Definition of Essential Spiritual Concepts

Firstly. God in not an intellectual argument requiring proof and specific miracles, as most religions go on and on and on about; study, study and be grilled.  God does not require begging and proofs or our claims of existence, loyalty or being addressed in the proper manner; these are human dysfunctional issues; God is about the real.  One intends to be within Gods Way or not, by measures of knowing, belief or ignorance.

What God’s Message Told Me:

God Is Love; Love Is All

Evil is the lack of Love.

A simple message of unconditional Love, (as sometimes opposed by an individuals subjective love of possession), unconditional Love not requiring much explanation or orders for conformity and rules affecting ones future heavenly abeyance. I have lived in ignorance of this Primal Cause and Its Coherency with my life, allowing emotions and insufficient information to draw their own conclusion, producing a form of evil that left me seemingly unable to see Love.  Love is everywhere, but I was not aware of Its image and likeness as my own purpose.

By extrapolation then; Evil in the world is Ignorance; a kind of ignorance of the self that transcends reality to affect our emotions and awareness through our cognitive and creative abilities into our environments.  We can produce, with our ignorance, surprising things; some of genius and some of grave error.  But can we distinguish which is which and what may be behind their curtains?

Can you know when you are in accordance with Creation; The Way of God, or with evil; the way of ignorance (confusion/illusion/delusion) pretending to be known?  These empirical emotional states seem as knowns. Example: I can be sure you are a fool by not commenting to me, or by commenting to me in ways I disagree with.  I can also think you are “on my side” by claiming my insights are shared by you. But what is actually known by me of you through my feelings that are not Love?  That is the question.

{Fortunately or not; this question was given directly to me from a transcendant source imposed upon me, quite impossible to explain objectively –If one has not had this experience. Subjectively delivered truth given in the name of objectivity is not possible to explain scientifically, except by going to theories of cognitive dysfunctional experience. That Love covers everything in existence from God’s Will, is mind boggling, as well as emotionally humbling in the extreme.  It is up to me to see It, or not to see It.  All that was so wrong to my feelings were never intended that way by The Divine. I have no other “how to” formula to convey about the realization.}

There was a widely circulated article a few years back by a Christian conservative arguing that love is the problem.  He went on to confuse the self love of possessing Creation in ones own name, with Big Love–that which unites and embraces All.  From my own experience; I knew how wrong this guy was and how confused he was.  As the authors of the book I brought up; kinds of good intentions are passed around like torches of enlightenment and reason, while they may well be running on the fuels of reaction and ignorance.  God is not about how well we suppress our love by living in perceptual inhibition.

More speculations on interpreting my experience of The Divine in our cultural terms.

In Gods Image and Likeness.  Image, not identical. You see your image in the mirror; we are in a manner of speaking, in Gods mirror. God has only Love for us, but has granted us autonomy.  We cannot conceive of God in any full, accurate or technical manner.  Books and all included.

We are not just mirrored reflections of a multidimensional Being. We are allowed to create, and in so doing, to engage Creation; to perform with Creation, or perhaps to also act against it by being in ignorance of It.  Ignorance and imagination become evil if extrapolated into behavioral formulas of cognition, perception and action.  And yet still—Love covers all.  When this happens to you, intentionally (if possible), out of the blue or at death, you can come to understand the poetry of Creation at hand.

So On The Subject Of Evangelical Rationalization And Atheistic Deception

Now I do not know what religious folks would think of my letter here so far, but I can and will speculate of their intentions, presumptions and validation, for they will not themselves.

Rigorous objectivity and critical analysis are not an option for many conservatives to soundly examine themselves.  At least this seems the evidence I see of their behavior and expression into the world.  They feel entitled to seek out converts and condemn the world beyond themselves as governed by Satan and or Liberalism, and all those other conservative orthodoxies that are not themselves.

The world has various conservative orthodoxies competing for; not just population market share, but world domination.  Unfortunately, these orthodoxies are not allowed to have an objective overview of themselves, for that would well imply change and acceptance of the unknown, unsettling their world and spiritual view.  Fear and insecurity will keep them in there (un)safe harbor of exclusion and denial.  This means evil will lurk as both fear and apparent wisdom.

Evangelical leaders, at the least, judge the world in God’s name, which is taking God’s name in vain. The book; I Don’t Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST, is an attempt at might makes right in a kind of logical sense.  The authors may well be well intentioned, but the false premised nature of so much of their proofs rationalizations wreaks of their own spiritual insecurity.  As with much evangelical thought, the initial presumption is often used as its own evidence, a kind of circular reasoning. The confidence of the argument depends upon the narrowness of the ideas parameters. That other interpretations of Being have value, is pretty much discarded for their own construct of reason and what there is for them in their narrowed confines of reason to wonder about.

Evangelicals require not just a leap of faith, but a contract in not acknowledging the ignorance of matters they claim self evident as being God’s.   First and foremost is that they know what the real Word of God is from the Bible as an infallible vehicle that have travelled for millenia.  There is no sound evidence for this, being that interpretations vary over what was said and who said what, with documents not going back to the actual time period. But many gospels were excluded from Christianity along the way.  The easy, or is it lazy, claims of faith and belief as their special compensation, betray all the evidencing and witnessing many “true believers” are seemingly compelled to offer as real proof of a real ideas manifestation, as the authors of the aforementioned book selectively manipulate.

Humans were adjusting the “Word of God” to words that the leaders manipulating the documents intended to proceed with.  Now we must assume politicians were infallible as well, but in the world of evangelicalism, any new interpretation is possible as long as their definition of the actual “Word of God” is said to be authentic.  Again, a human based interpretations for human based reasons.

Evangelicals are often putting words into Gods Mouth, so to speak.  Observe the sermons; some enlightening and at least one on TV eliciting prayers for God to get certain Supreme Court justices out of His way.  Before the 2008 presidential election in the US, I heard one preaching to God that He must not abandon His People.  Direct orders to The Divine, seeming to question if God knows what He is doing or allowing to be done. So the Bible says to ask in Jesus name, just like a magical spell to be cast over local creation, if an idea in the Bible can be extrapolated to sanction something one may desire—bingo!

Liberalism is receiving this kind of instruction to the faithful; get rid of it or else you are abandoning God, likely right now, as I type this on this Sunday morning.  The problem is as we have seen politically; the “faithful”, in denying their suspicion of ignorance, fear enough to follow instructions as lemmings at the cliff edge, “In the name of God”, or in the name of the executive.

‘They know not what they do’; whether they are really serving God, Country, or serving Evil, for they are not allowed to know the real difference from authorities presumably speaking in Gods Name. Who is telling them to study which aspects or biblical narration, or see the Bible which way for what reason?  We may wonder, for they are not allowed open critical thinking.  We expect an expert will do that for them.

We see much contempt for Creation as it is, from conservatives and religious and political orthodoxies.  Notice the good intentions of their claims, yet the hostility, judgement and condemnations flowing from their ideologies. They offer no true way right now for compassion, empathy, inclusion, solution. No means right now for unbridled, non ideological understanding.  No open door for Love to grow within and to flow out.

The God of Creation is being kept out for the false idol of ideology and intellectual reductionism being called faith and proof.

Evangelicalism; A recipe for preserving ignorance in God’s Name.

Bible Errors and Contradictions

Fortunately, this is not the case, particularly when dealing with fundamentalists who claim that the Bible is free of error and contradiction.





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– 3:08pm it said by Christian apologists, “I don’t have enough Faith to be an atheist

. on ethics & morality can only be defended by fallacy and deception.

and kinds of more advanced food for thoughts—-

Rebecca Kukla – Objectivity and Perspective in Empirical Knowledge

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Objectivity and Perspective in Empirical Knowledge1. Rebecca Kukla. Abstract. Epistemologists generally think that genuine warrant that is available to

In parting;

As always; Where there is Love


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